Gates says Steve Jobs threw "spells" to keep Apple from dying

Gates says that Jobs often made people in awe of him. (Reuters picture)

WASHINGTON: Apple's Steve Jobs was unparalleled in its ability to take a company "on its way to death" and make it the world's most valuable – including by "casting spells," billionaire Bill Gates said.

Gates talked about Jobs, Apple founder and CEO who died of pancreatic cancer in 2011, in a leadership segment to be sent Sunday on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS."

"I was like a little wizard because he would be spelling, and I would see people mesmerized, but because I am a little wizard, the spells do not work on me," said Gates, the world's second richest person, according to a print provided by the network.

"I have not yet met anyone who" could compete with Jobs "when it comes to picking talent, hypermotivating that talent and having a sense of design by" Oh, this is good. This is not good, "said Gates to his partner and competitor.

Even when he failed, he succeeded, Gates said, referring to the 1988 introduction of NeXT, the computer" completely failed, it was such a nonsense and yet he fascinated these people. "NeXT quit making hardware five years later, and in 1996 it was purchased by Apple.

" Incredibly Positive "

While it's easy for leaders to" imitate the bad parts of Steve, "said Gates, who at times described Jobs as an" asshole "," he brought some incredibly positive things with that toughness. "

Reflecting on the culture he created in the 1970s as Microsoft Corps co-founder, Gates said the company in its early days had" a self-chosen set of people who were mostly men, I admit, and yes, we were pretty tough at each other. And I think sometimes it went too far. "

Now, a philanthropist with a fortune estimated at US $ 107 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaire's Index, Gates says he doesn't" push quite so insane ". However, he admitted a tendency to micromanage at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which he established with his wife in 2000.

The Foundation's main goal is to reduce extreme poverty globally and to improve health care. "I'm still aware," Hey, that toilet is too expensive. It's a dead end. We're not going to put more money into it, "Gates said.

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